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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 15, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

I think the Dead deal, was not just anti organized religion, but anti organized anything , in a general way . I am a believer , who does not attend church , etc.
( Nothing against those who do !) . If God exists or not, the experience we call "spiritual" occurs for me, more often in music, for me, than in anything else ; the Late Beethoven string quartets, the heart of a Dark Star... If God exists, music has something to do with him/it .
As for the band's attitude, it seems to run the range from the agnostic skepticism of Garcia, to Phil saying, "God bless" at the end of his shows ."So many roads to lead me home", and "I'm gonna find my own way home", seem to say it . I guess you can take what you want form the Dead ; their concerts ran the spectrum of life, everything from the "sinner" of Minglewood, the "saints" of Stephen, Prophets ( estimated and otherwise ), the excess of "Miracle", to the paying for excess of "Black Peter", and the inner world of say, "Dark Star ".
There is nothing religious about the Dead, but there is something of the "spiritual", ( along with much else !).

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 15, 2010 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

DD -

Great post! I had to laugh at your "Saint Stephen" line. When I was going through my RCIA classes for confirmation (conversion) as a Catholic I chose Saint Stephen the Martyr as my patron. Admittedly, it was the song that made me first look at the life of Saint Stephen the Martyr when we began choosing our patrons.

I figured you couldn't go wrong choosing someone whos last living act was to ask God to forgive those who were stoning him to death. Not a bad life to model after.

But you should have seen the look on my sponsor's face when I told him all of the reasons why I chose Saint Stephen the Martyr. I told him to go home and listen to the song.

He came back the following week and said "I get it."

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Jan 15, 2010 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

Stephen was the saint who got stoned...

I'm a catholic too. I just think folks need to remember EVERYONE lives by some sort of creed. Even if it your own or part of a larger organization at some point everyone must choose to live one way and not another.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 15, 2010 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead?

My older three kids are going through RCIA now and I have to sit in on the class - it is a good 'refresher' for me.